Wednesday, April 19, 2006

Lying and the Bible - Part 3/3

Broader definitions of Lying

So far I have dealt with simply speaking what is true. There is a broader issue however. Deception takes many forms.

1. What about half truths?
2. What about withholding information?
3. What about simple tomfoolery, pranks, games, etc?

Firstly not all these things can really be put into one category as "lying". For instance, withholding information is many times healthy and desirable, for instance in issues of confidentiality, whether spiritual or even military. Wisdom and deception are far removed from each other.
Games are another area - both sides are aware of certain parameters within which to function. There are accepted norms. And in fact, Games have very strict rules and penalties for going outside the bounds. When someone tries to manipulate rules, he is labelled a cheat. Why? Not just because of a transgression of law - that's a foul. Cheating is when the intent is malicious.

So morality and spirituality comes in at the point of intent. If in these cases intent is malicious then sin is born. Whether in areas of Withholding information, half truths, or Game parameters.

Again, we cannot justifiably say that lying or deception is ever endorsed Biblically. Some might take a hard line and label as lies even instances where intent is
not malicious. But I think this muddies the water unprofitably.

It is important to remember that we need to be very careful how we deal with issues out of the boundaries of explicit speaking of untruth. Intent is a hard thing to gauge. But it will be the key in unravelling the matter.

For example, a child may withhold information from a parent because of fear of consequences. The intent is sinful.
But a child may also unwittingly withhold information that might have been pertinent to the issue, simply because the child did not know it was important. The intent then was not sinful.
In this case the discernment and spiritual insight of the parent comes into play.

Final Notes
I need to delve a little into some of the more subjective arguments.
A question was raised about hierarchy of God's law. The logic was that some laws take precedence over others, and for instance if I have to lie to protect someone from being murdered, then that would be justified.

A quick note about this: The only related scriptural examples I can find are these: Children are commanded to obey their parents (Eph 6:1) All people are commanded to be subject to all authorities. (Rom 13:1) However, in each of these instances these is a caveat, if you look at the verses. from this we understand that if people in authority contradict God, then we disobey authority. This is not really teaching hierarchy of law. It is an issue of hierarchy in authority. Whenever God's word is compromised, then I obey God rather than man. So I disobey man, but it is not sin, because God specifically has declared himself supreme authority. Obeying him is of first importance.

As far as lying goes, the hierarchy of authority does not apply, because God as supreme authority has commanded us to be truthful, and there is no issue of submission to any other involved.

Edit: It has been a long while, but I thought I'd add this "mindlblowing revelation" to conclude. With regard to all the exceptions to lying that we might think up to oppose what I believe is a Biblical argument, isn't there a place to say "trust God"? However difficult the situation, if He has decreed something and we seek to obey Him, Can we not rest in knowing that He will provide the means to carry out His will? Or the strength to bear the consequences of obedience to Him? These may be painful in the moment, maybe... but eternally joyous. We serve a living, caring Father. Amen?

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

God commands us to be truthful and He also commands us to protect the weaker and less fortunate. Is there ever a time that one must compromise one for the sake of the other?

Skinniyah said...

There's an hypothesis behind that question...

So it's really a situational question, which would need to be elaborated. But to start out with, maybe it's good to understand the second command... what is that command exactly, where is it found in scripture, are there any caveats, and what protection is it specifically talking about...

Then we might be better able to discover an answer. Because I am not fully sure I understand the implications of the question to know if I have an answer.

Switchblade said...

Its interesting that you should post on this issue coz Sulu and Alison recently had quite a big disagreement on the same.
Very well explained..learnt a lot from this post.

Anonymous said...

Ha! I always wondered whether I should say something every time your mother insisted that you were good-looking. Should i rebuke her? Should I disillusion her? Should i just let it pass? hmm...
No seriously though, Grace's comment- during World War 2, there were several Christians who compromised their truthfulness in order to shelter and protect Jews who would otherwise have been killed by the Nazi regime, and obviously had to lie about it. I would tend to think that they were justified in doing so...
Something that got me thinking though is the hierarchy of commands? We are called to be people of peace, would we be justified in being violent, even if it were to save a life? I would say no, although I realize this has nothing to do with lying and your post. Who determines what commands are more important than others? A sin is a sin is a sin, are there levels of sin? I understand that lying would not be as frowned upon as murder by the government, or by society, but would they not both be equally sinful in the eyes of a blameless and Holy God? :S

Anonymous said...

Oh hey sorry, that wasn't supposed to be an anonymous comment, it was made by me, dan, the handsome one ;)

Skinniyah said...

OK, anonymous, (now I see you, Dan) my mom would not be lying. Bad support for your argument. Your mom however is to be applauded for her integrity - she never even implies you are good looking, does she?

About the whole Nazi thing, the whole reason I went through the whole process of typing three blogs is to first understand scripture so I have a framework to apply hypothetical situations. That's just it, we don't interpret scripture through the grid of our lives, always the other way around. I'm not saying it won't be hard IF something like that were to ever happen. Rahab and the midwives were in a tight spot, and they were weak - God showed them grace even through their weakness of lying.

I agree with you about the heirarchy of sin - all sin is equal in severity before God, but sin does have a heirarchy of consequence.

Anonymous said...

Dan, In regards to us being called to be a people of peace I dont think that is always the case. In fact, in the OT, there are several times where God asks the people of Israel to complete destroy his enemies, that would imply that they killed everyone, including the small children and babies. Part of essence of peace is the fact that you might have to enter a war in order to preserve that peace in the future.So I guess you would have to analyze the if the fact that we are commanded to be people of peace mean that we should never enter into war to preserve God's people or the defenseless.

Does that make any sense? So I do agree that we are called to be peaceful, but justice and peace sometimes can at times only be preserved through a war or through the punishment of those who are trying to go against God. I believe that in the Bible, murder by the government is allowable and even commanded by God when done in order to preserve justice or peace. (See Gn 9:6; Romans 13, etc).
Hope you end up reading this! :) And I completely think Stephen's mom was being very truthful when she says he is super cute! :) lol

Mark (aka pastor guy) said...

Thanks for an excellent series of posts that helped me clarify my thinking & teaching. It's wonderful & sadly rare to see someone struggle with Scripture with such honesty & humility.

Skinniyah said...

Thank you Mark, I do appreciate the encouragement. Glad this was profitable.